Sandhill Rustics? - No it doesn't seem so!

The two moths below were with a couple of Flounced Rustics, and I nearly included them as such. They were slightly larger and lacked the dark bars joining the cross lines. I'm wondering if they are Sandhill Rustics. The hind-wings are white.


Moth 1


Moth 2



Tony Prichard said:
"Look more like Flounced Rustics to me - the orbicular stigma (oval) is too large and the moths look a bit bulky for Sandhills

If you look at http://www.suffolkmoths.org.uk/cgi-bin/mos/account.cgi?code=2354
you will see examples with the small orbicular, they're ssp demuthi which is the same ssp that you get in Kent."